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Russ of the BML 3:07 Mon Feb 1
WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Sorry, this is boring, but I need to tap into the WHO font of knowledge.

My laptop has gone wonky and need a bit of advice.

When I now open it says windows is loading files but it then automatically goes into a Start Up Repair which you can't stop. It then says after several minutes Start Up Repair cannot resolve issue and recommends you check repair info log.

You select and it then offers two options:

View Diagnostic / Repair details
View advanced options for system recovery

In the second option you then get:

Start Up Repair - Tried unsuccessfully
System Restore - Tried unsuccessfully
Windows Memory Diagnostic - Tried unsuccessfully
Recovery Management

In recovery management you get two options one to restore to operating system factory setting, but it says you lose all data so I don't want.

The other is restore operating system and retain data which it says will return to factory settings and all files on user accounts will be transferred to C:/backup.

I only use this laptop to host I-Tunes and download music so can anyone advise if this option is safe to do without losing I-Tunes? I know it says it will save to C:/backup but has anyone done this before and if so does it actually do what it says. Will I still be able to recover my I-Tunes?

Have I-Tunes all backed up on hard-drive but just trying to save having to buy a new laptop and then transfer it all onto a new I-Tunes account.

Any help, advice or info would be gratefully received! And I have tried wiping my knob on the screen......It didn't work for some reason!

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Russ of the BML 12:07 Wed Feb 3
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Mike Oxsaw 10:50 Wed Feb 3

Right ok. I understand. Sounds a good idea. Will look into that. Cheers!

Mike Oxsaw 10:50 Wed Feb 3
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Russ of the BML 6:00 Tue Feb 2

Virtual Machine, Russ. It's a piece of software that mimics a real computer and basically "runs inside" a real computer ("Windows within Windows", if you like).

As to any "real computer" it's just a file, it can be copied across many different computers meaning an IT department only has to set up one standard configuration.

I've got a Windows VM set up on my desktop computer and a clone of it on my laptop. Any changes I make on either is copied over when I synchronise the two.

Mate of mine has 4 VMs on his computer at home - one each for himself & his wife and one each for his saucepans; that way if any of them fuck up (which they often do) it doesn't affect the other users and restoration is a doddle. All on a 30 quid 120G solid state drive.

Like I said, it's all a bit (too) teckie at the moment, but once set up doesn't then need any further specialist input.

Far Cough 6:04 Tue Feb 2
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Haha, told ya

It's Oxsaw's standard response to any PC problem and possibly any other problem outside of IT

Russ of the BML 6:00 Tue Feb 2
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Cheers everyone for all your advice. Really helpful.

Think it may be a job out of my league so will take it local PC shop.

By the way....What the fuck is a VM?

. . 2:10 Tue Feb 2
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Far Cough.
I use one of these http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/25-inch-and-35-inch-sata-usb-dock-a83hq

I'm sure you could get cheaper off ebay/local pc stall if your only going to use it once. I got mine after we updated all the pc's at work took all the harddives out formatted and i now use them to back up my own pc

Far Cough 6:46 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Double full point, doing that would work but you will need a USB hard drive enclosure with an internal SATA connection

. . 6:42 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Remove Harddrive, conect to another PC via usb.

Copy all files you want to other PC

Put Hardrive back into laptop and restore, if files have gone retrieve them from second PC

Far Cough 6:12 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
In any case, being realistic towards Russ's plight and forgive me if I'm wrong Russ, I don't think he's the type to be fucking around with VMs, I doubt if he even knows what they are, so let's be realistic and try and help him out

Mike Oxsaw 6:06 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
One of the main reasons for running with a virgin O/S and virtual machines is that if it all goes tits-up (as in Russ's case) you can always boot the machine and reload the VM.

Hard disk footprint is totally irrelevant. 2TB 50 quid. Costs more just thinking about it.

riosleftsock 5:33 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Music = belgian animal/kiddie porn.

Russ BML = Fucking wrong'un.

Far Cough 5:25 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Yes his music was backed up but he wants his playlists to be restored, which I've already provided a link on how to do it

Your suggestion is unnecessary as you're just installing a VM inside the same OS that you want to install, and then you want to clone that VM, well you can clone a native OS just as easily, which I have done on my machine, all I do is back up my data and if it goes tits up, I reimage the OS back to the machine, add my data and it's all set, you want install an OS in a VM inside the same OS, it's redundant, aside from the performance hit, you are using double the minimum hard drive footprint for no reason

Mike Oxsaw 5:18 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
From the O/P I understood that the data WAS backed up - it's just the fucking about with some shit Apple propitiatory product Russ wants to avoid.

Far Cough 5:02 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Honestly don't see the point, it's all about backups of your data which you can do quite easily inside a native Windows environment

Mike Oxsaw 4:59 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Far Cough 4:33 Mon Feb 1

I make Branded right on this one. Install a bog standard O/S (don't matter which) then create a VM that runs windows/Linux/Sun/Apple/whatever, install all your software on that and use that as your workhorse. Install NOTHING on the host O/S.

Clone the VM every night on alternate nights (so you have 2 clones a day apart) and then you should be able to cope with all and every fuckery that comes your way.

Additionally, store your data off VM to both remove VM size and help better protect the data from corruption.

El Scorchio 4:44 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Russ of the BML 3:29

Ah, shame! It's usually such a quick, non-disruptive way of getting things back to normal. Good luck with whatever method you take.

Miller 4:34 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Have you wiped your knob on the screen yet?

Far Cough 4:33 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Why would you run Windows in a virtual machine when you can run it native?

The key here is to having good back ups of the data you deem important, shirley?

BRANDED 4:28 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
I have a strong recommendation. Run windows in a virtualisation program. Back it up.
It really takes the shit of of this nonsense.

Of course this doesn't help you and I'm sorry for that but in futureā€¦..

Mike Oxsaw 4:15 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
Russ of the BML 3:53 Mon Feb 1

OK - then you've probably been given the best advice already under the circumstances. The next steps would take you deep inside Tekkiestan - and I suspect that's not where you want to be going.

For a few sovs though, your local friendly computer shop (NOT PC World or the like) may be able to load up windows onto your laptop from a CD/USB and allow you to recover everything to an external drive.

If your hard disk was (very) full, that may be the cause as windows is not really that good at disc/data management when there is little or no spare space on a hard drive. Getting rid if some/a lot of shit may help, but, if it was me, I'd replace the drive at the earliest - they're as cheap as chips these days.

ivan 4:09 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
a boot disk would be good , if you dont have one of those you can get to command prompt by pressing F8 on boot.
once you get to command prompt you need to overwrite the system and hive files in the config directory with the same files you get from the repair directory.
can be a bit tricky but if you can get someone to do that for you it will fix the issue.

Far Cough 3:56 Mon Feb 1
Re: WHO Tecchie's - Laptop advice
If you can't get to your desktop, you won't be able to save your playlists

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